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The number of filaments used per tow is a common metric in the cycling world, JOIN US and is typically measured in the thousands. For example, a carbon tow with 3,000 filaments is typically given the designation of 3K; 6,000 filaments is 6K, and so on.

Actual strength and stiffness of the individual fibres can vary, too, with the stiffness being described as modulus. Higher modulus is achieved by increasingly

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refining the filament production process, stripping each filament further and

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resource-intensive, these thinner filaments also sit more tightly together in a tow,

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and increase the stiffness of the tow overall. However, higher modulus is

associated WOMEN’S CYCLING with increased brittleness, since each filament is thinner. ADVENTURE

Modulus is a term often thrown around in marketing materials, and the key thing to know is that there is no standardization in how modulus is described, at least

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within the bicycle industry: one brand’s claimed “ultra high modulus” material

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importantly, it’s how these varying stiffnesses of carbon are applied that matter

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most, and the best frames will always use a mix of moduli.

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Tows of carbon fibre are hardly useful by themselves, as at this stage they’re merely dry, pliable bits of material. It’s here that one of the more misleading elements is revealed. All carbon fibre material used in cycling must be bonded in some regard, usually with a two-part epoxy resin. Adding resin to carbon fibre turns the material into a composite, or to use the more specific engineering term, carbon fibre reinforced polymer (CFRP). As the material is also usually layered, the composite is often referred to as a laminate, too.

Where carbon fibre is extremely strong and light, resin is comparatively heavy and weak. The goal with such a composite is to use as little resin as possible in

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Pick up any marketing material from any number of bike brands offering a

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carbon fibre frame and you’re sure to be inundated with vague jargon about the materials and construction methods used. Take a deeper look and you’ll find that so many brands are actually talking about similar things, and yet, the end result is often so varied. SEARCH

Just as a chef at a Michelin Star restaurant will tell you, the raw ingredients are only a single aspect of the end product. Give those identical ingredients to

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another chef and the outcome will certainly be a different one. It may not be

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Using carbon fibre to make a frame is no different, and in this analogy, detailed

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So how exactly is carbon fibre used to make a frame? What are the different

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construction methods? Why is the term itself so misleading in the world of

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better than another? To explore all of this and more, we got help from the US-

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Velo)LOG and MEMBER IN Australian-based carbon repair specialist Raoul Luescher of Luescher Teknik, to get their insights on the black magic of frame manufacturing.

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WHAT IS CARBON FIBRE? SEARCH Before getting in-depth about how a frame comes to be, we should start with an

explanation of the raw material. Carbon fibre starts its journey as a polymer,

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which is processed through various heating steps into long strings of carbon

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Carbon fibre filaments are like extremely fine hair.

These individual filaments are then bunched together to form a thin ribbon, or tow. And much like how a thread becomes a string, which then becomes a rope, carbon filaments work together to form something extremely lightweight and strong. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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order to hold the carbon fibre in place. It’s here that higher modulus carbon

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really shines, since the smaller gaps between filaments require less resin to fill.

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SomeLOGmanufacturers will vary the performance characteristics of the finished MEMBER IN structure through the use of other fibre types and modified resins, such as composite epoxies infused with glass or carbon nanotubes (microscopic filaments). Allied Cycle Works uses a reinforcing material known as Innegra in its frames, while others have been known to include materials such as aramid to increase impact resistance of the laminate.

Most frame manufacturers build frames with sheets of carbon fibre that is preimpregnated with uncured resin – better known as pre-preg – applied to a nonstick paper backing, and shipped on large rolls. The resin activates with heat, and so these pre-preg sheets are stored in a freezer until needed. This process helps to ensure even resin coverage throughout the frame, greater finite control over the lay-up, and reduced labour time. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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In most cases, the fibres in those rolls are all unidirectional, with all of the fibres JOIN US running in one parallel direction. This orientation provides maximum strength and stiffness in one direction, but at the expense of minimum strength and stiffness in the orthogonal direction. Alternatively, the tows can be woven together at various angles, often in a criss-crossed pattern, so that the material can be equally strong in multiple directions. SEARCH NEWS AND RACING TECH WOMEN’S CYCLING ADVENTURE PODCASTS VELOCLUB HUB SUBSCRIBE SHOP MEMBER LOG IN

Pre-preg carbon fibre arrives at frame factories in huge rolls of flat sheet, which needs to be cut into smaller pieces before it can be laid into a mould.

“Unidirectional (UD) pre-preg is common because it has higher specific properties and is easier to lay-up a specific fibre angle,” says Luescher. “[Woven fabric] is easier to lay-up at complex geometry locations and where the loads are less defined. It also provides better damage tolerance as it is less likely to delaminate due to the mechanical interlocking of the fibres. Woven fabrics are often used at locations throughout the frame such as inserts, bottom bracket shells, head tubes, and wherever holes are drilled for bottle mounts, cable guides, etc.”

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While prepreg is by far the most common material in the cycling industry, other JOIN US construction methods start with dry fibres.

Filament winding, for example, wraps sheets or ribbons of dry carbon fibre around a solid mandrel that is nominally cylindrical in shape. Resin is applied during the wrapping process, and then the entire assembly is cured under heat and pressure.

In yet another method, Time weaves its own carbon tubes in-house from dry carbon tow – sort of like how socks are made. That dry tube is then secured in a mould, and resin is injected under high pressure using a process Time calls Resin Transfer Moulding.

Regardless of the method used to form a structure’s final shape, it’s up to the engineer to ensure the right types of carbon fibre (and resins) are used in the right places and in the right orientations for the best end result. Frame designers need to weigh a wide range of parameters, such as stiffness vs. brittleness, and weight vs. durability. Impact resistance, and of course cost, must factor into the equation, too. In general, though, the design possibilities of a carbon frame are wide open, and when done right, the life expectancy of a carbon frame can be nearly infinite.

THE DESIGN PROCESS IN A NUTSHELL Designing a frame is no quick feat and so it’s impossible to do the subject justice here. Regardless of frame make or model, the process is an extensive one and varies greatly between the different brands.

Most carbon fibre frames arguably have a similar genesis – the brand defines the purpose of the frame and that there’s demand for it. After all, if you’re going to invest extensive resources, you’d better be sure you can commercialise it.

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The next step would see brands define what the new frame needs to achieve. JOIN US Given the maturity of carbon fibre bicycle frames at this point, it’s usually continual improvement that drives change, and rarely is genuine innovation achieved. This is why every few years you see a brand update an existing model with iterative and incremental improvements, rather than wholesale redesigns of products that are already quite refined. This is as much the result of learning from past mistakes or previous design limitations, as it is a sign of the continual development in the use of carbon fibre.

Luescher explains that the advancement in carbon fibre frames is mostly down to more consistent process control.

“Although there have been advancements in fibre grades, which is often the focus of the marketing departments, reliable compaction and moulding outweigh the theoretical gains from a raw material change alone,” he said. “The increased uniformity of the compaction has led to reduced flaws, more consistent laminate properties, and hence increased structural performance. By being able to produce more consistent laminates, structural models are better able to optimise the frame layup to produce lighter, stronger, and more fatigue resistant frames that do not require as large a factor of safety as previously required.”

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Finite element analysis (FEA) allows hundreds of designs to be tested virtually before a single physical prototype hits the road. For Allied, such a process typically takes a full year.

According to Sam Pickman, director of product and engineering at Allied Cycle Works, digital development plays an enormous role after the initial concept is finalised.

“Here we dive into design in a major way including the 3D FEA analysis, CFD [computational fluid dynamics, used for aerodynamic design and testing] if necessary, and most importantly how we are going to make it. We decide if and where the frame will be split up [in its construction], what materials we want to use, how we will pre-form it, what we want the tooling to look like, et cetera.”

Rideable prototypes are expensive, and typically come much later in the process. According to Pickman, Allied first uses a 3D-printed sample of the bike to test component fitment, general aesthetics, and a manufacturing plan.

“Once we clear this, tooling design and manufacturing starts and the ply manuals are created. Once the tools are completed, we begin part development. This is https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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when we are physically making and breaking parts. After all the digital

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development, we are pretty confident, but a few revisions are usually necessary to get the performance we need. Once we pass testing, we start riding the bikes and gathering feedback. At the same time, we begin training staff on the new processes. When we have cleared everything, we launch a pilot run to work out the kinks.”

PROCESSES OF MANUFACTURING There are a number of ways to turn those raw ingredients of carbon fibre and resin into a bike frame. While there are a few niche players with unconventional techniques, the vast majority of the industry have adopted the monocoque method.

MONOCOQUE MANUFACTURING A term commonly used to describe modern carbon fibre bicycle frames, monocoque design effectively means the item handles its loads and forces through its single skin. In reality, true monocoque road bike frames are extremely rare, and the majority of what is seen in cycling only feature a monocoque front triangle, with the seatstays and chainstays produced separately and later bonded together. These, once built into a complete frame, are more correctly termed a semi-monocoque, or modular monocoque, structure. This the technique used by Allied Cycle Works, and is far and away the most common in the bicycle industry.

Regardless of whether the industry’s terminology is correct, typically the first steps see large sheets of pre-preg carbon cut into individual pieces, each of which are placed in a specific orientation within a mould. In the case of Allied Cycle Works, the specific choice of carbon, the layup, and orientation all go together in a ply manual, otherwise known as layup schedule. This specifically outlines exactly what pieces of pre-preg carbon go where within the mould. Think of it as a jigsaw puzzle, where every piece is numbered. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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According to Pickman, an Allied Alfa road frame starts its life as unidirectional prepreg sheets, which are CNC-cut at angles of 0, 18, 22, 30, 45, and 90 degrees. These angles are in reference to the orientation of the fibres, and so for example, 0-degree would see the fibers running along the tubes.

Carbon fibre frames are often perceived as being cheap and easy to manufacture, but the reality is that this layering process is extremely time-consuming and expensive. According to Allied Cycle Works, the Alfa road frameset uses 326 pieces of individual pre-preg carbon pieces in the frame and 170 in the fork, all of which are carefully laid by hand, in a specific sequence and in multiple layers, following the engineer’s ply manual.

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To help achieve complex shapes, such as the head tube, Allied uses pre-form components that it produces in separate, smaller moulds, before moving the components into the main mould to form the frame.

“The way the plies lay on to another aids in how they unfurl into the [mould] when the resin viscosity drops,” explained Pickman. “The easier they can slide and fill the tool, the better consolidation you get. Pre-form size is just ensuring that the plies don’t need to move a long way to get to their final shape. The more they need to move, the more issues you get, including consolidation issues.”

Made to be model- and size-specific, the mould dictates the outside surface and shape of the frame. These moulds are typically machined of either steel or aluminium, built for repeated use and without variance.

However, the outer surface is only a part of the story, and the carbon must also be compressed from the inside to ensure correct compaction and that no voids (weaknesses) are created. Here, various techniques are used. Inflatable bladders, https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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which are sometimes just left in the frame, are perhaps the most common. Other JOIN US examples include foam or wax mandrels that can be melted away; flexible silicon mandrels; and sometimes even more solid mandrels, whether they be plastic or metal.

Allied’s process is fairly common amongst premium and large-scale frame options. The frame is layered up around a network of inflatable bladders and semi-solid pre-forms on one side of a two-piece, clamshell-like mould, and the other side of the mould is secured on top once the lay-up is complete.

From here, the mould is completely sealed with a vacuum bag before being moved onto the de-bulk phase. “De-bulking is a process in between lay-up and cure where you apply vacuum and some heat to the part and draw out as much air as possible before curing,” Pickman explained.

Moulding is done in multiple stages and with specialist machinery.

In Allied’s case, the mould is then removed from the vacuum bag and placed into a heated press. Again, the frame inside is heated to allow the flow of resin, while https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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the internal bladders are pressurized to give final reassurance that correct

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material compaction is achieved. This curing process increases the internal pressure incrementally with the goal of pushing the plies to the outermost parts of the mould. Both this and the de-bulking work together to help eliminate air voids, fibre creases, or other potential stress risers in the material – all while removing excess resin.

Bare frames await the next phase.

After curing, the frame is extracted from its mould, and the internal air bladders and pre-forms are removed. The dropouts, seatstays, and chainstays are then bonded with the front triangle. Those bonds are overwrapped with additional strips of carbon fibre to provide both extra structural support and seamless surface finish, and all of that assembly is performed in a jig to ensure perfect alignment.

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Now looking like a frame, the next step is sanding and paint prep. An arduous JOIN US process of fine detailing ensures no excess resin or marks from the mould are visible. In particular, manufacturers will pay very close attention to the bonding joints, which often require the most treatment from frame assembly.

At this same point, drillings for water bottle cages, the front derailleur mount, and cable management systems take place. With a mixture of rivnuts (threaded rivets), rivets, and epoxy typically used to permanently affix the items, these are carefully added to areas that have already been reinforced in preparation during the lay-up stage.

In the case of Allied, the joints feature a very shallow (0.5mm) recess. This depression leaves space for a pre-preg overwrap, which not only adds a further level of structural security, but also a preventative measure to avoid paint cracks down the road. At this stage, the frame is ready for paint.

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“In actual time, it takes about 10 days for a bike to go through the building,”

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states Pickman.

When done right, monocoque design produces an incredibly strong and lightweight product, all with minimum overlap of materials. It’s for this reason, plus the way that carbon fibre mechanical properties can be so carefully controlled, that monocoque manufacturing is the top pick for building a frame with the highest stiffness to weight ratio. If you look at the bikes used in the WorldTour, for example, all but the Colnago C60 of UAE Team Emirates use a modular-monocoque manufacturing technique.

Monocoque manufacturing is not without a few disadvantages, though, mainly related to accessibility and cost.

Plenty of manual labour goes into the creation of such a frame.

Firstly, as detailed above, this method is extremely labour-intensive. Even a wellstaffed and efficient factory such as Allied’s takes a relatively long time to produce a frame. This is one of the key reasons why the majority of the world’s https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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carbon fibre bicycles are made in Asia – when labour comprises the majority ofJOIN US the manufacturing cost, it makes sense to minimise your labour costs as much as possible.

Secondly, specific moulds need to be created for each frame design, and within that, each frame size requires its own mould as well. Considering how some manufacturers offer 12 sizes, or even multiple geometries for each size, it’s easy to see the inherent expense in this process. According to Pickman, Allied’s moulding investment for a new frame and fork design across a full size range, including accompanying specific tooling, costs around US$160,000.

To overcome this, many manufacturers work on a two- or three-year lifecycle for a carbon frame design, in order to recoup costs over an extended period. It’s one of the key reasons why you don’t see the likes of Giant or Specialized coming out with a new frame model every year.

With such tooling costs, smaller brands and manufacturers have a tough time justifying the resources when there aren’t production quantities to back up the investment. In many cases, this is what leads to open-source or generic moulds being used by smaller or discount brands.

TUBE TO TUBE Boutique manufacturers who specialise in custom geometries, fits, and lay-ups find it extremely difficult to produce monocoque designs at a marketable price, so they often turn to another method of frame manufacturing called tube-totube. In concept, it’s not all that different to how welded steel, titanium, and aluminium frames are made.

In this process, each carbon frame tube is produced separately, and sometimes sourced directly from a carbon tube manufacturer. This method gives a lower barrier to entry for builders to have control over a frame’s geometry, stiffness,

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and ride quality. Tube selection dictates the performance properties a frame JOIN US builder seeks, and the customised tube length dictates the geometry.

A finished tube-to-tube example from Tsubasa.

With the tubes selected and cut to length, they’re mitered so as to fit seamlessly with each other. Then a jig is used as the tubes are joined together to create a frame. Builders often epoxy the tubes together, and then use pre-cut, pre-preg sheets to wrap the tubes together and reinforce the joints.

Some more advanced methods will see the frame then put into a vacuum bag or even a rigid or flexible mould to assist with compaction, while others will move straight to final preparation once the resin cures.

This method is popular for custom geometry frames as it allows a wide range of control on specific angles and tube lengths. However, it’s a process that requires a skilled approach to ensure long-term safety. Additionally, there will be more redundant material overlap in this method than what’s possible with the monocoque technique. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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Much like the tube-to-tube method, lugged carbon frames sees singular tubes joined piece by piece to create a frame. However, where tube-to-tube joints are individually wrapped, lugged carbon frames use more of a plug-and-play process where the mitered tubes are bonded into pre-formed lugs – again, just like their metallic analogues.

Often, the lugs of modern carbon frames are carbon, too, such as on the Colnago C60, but this is not always the case. Like tube-to-tube, lugged construction provides generous flexibility in terms of frame geometry, frame stiffness, and ride quality, with the possibilities only limited by what lugs are available.

The Colnago C60 is the only lugged carbon bike still raced at the sport’s highest level.

One of the most high-tech recent examples is Bastion, out of Melbourne, Australia, who use 3D-printed titanium lugs for complete custom control with each order. The original BMC Teammachine, such as that ridden by Tyler Hamilton on Phonak, used aluminium lugs with carbon tubes, and much earlier https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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than that, Trek pioneered the mass-production of the technology with its 2300JOIN US road frame.

Just like with tube-to-tube construction, though, lugged frames inherently feature more material overlap than monocoque ones, and therefore return a lower stiffness-to-weight ratio.

QUALITY CONTROL AND TESTING What isn’t obvious are the steps some manufacturers take along the way to ensure that the finished frames actually meet the design intention – and, in other words, are safe to ride.

While some industry standards do exist in this area, such as CEN and ISO certifications, what Allied Cycle Works – and most other major brands – do could be considered the most common practices. In addition to frequent visual inspections, individual parts and sub-assemblies are individually weighed as a way to ensure the proper amount of resin has been infused into each component. Thanks in part to Allied’s smaller production volumes, raw materials are tracked as well.

German frame supplier Canyon even goes so far as to inspect forks and frames with an X-ray machine, which provides a more detailed, non-destructive way to examine finished composite parts.

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“Every molded part also gets a thorough visual inspection before moving onto bonding,” says Pickman. “After bonding, we do 100% check on frame alignment. Frames are then checked for surface quality before going into the paint process, and finally the bikes are inspected after paint for finish defects before they are passed off to assembly. We also do a 10% random sampling of stiffness testing on our frames and forks.”

A FINISHED FRAME All said and done, creating a carbon frame is a time consuming process, and one that remains surprisingly hands-on. For a material with so much versatility in its usage, there’s no doubt the devil is in the detail – especially when it comes to creating something that’s equally light, strong, compliant, and safe.

From afar, not much has changed in the making of carbon bikes over the years. However, look deeper, and you’ll see the finer understanding of the material application and improved quality control has led to a product that’s superior to what was available in years past. No matter what aesthetic shape a frame takes, it’s safe to say that carbon fibre’s true performance lies well below the surface. Tags: Allied Cycle Works, carbon fibre, Features

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Ryan Z • 3 years ago

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Laying carbon is truly an art form. I've seen some of the people doing it in aerospace JOIN US firsthand, and when you see how labor intensive it is, it makes all the sense in the world why it costs so much. The molds are where the big dollars are too; a production run change probably isn't taken lightly if they have to remake molds. Carbon's ability to mask imperfections and hide is what scares me about those openmold Chinese frame. Short of giving it to an engineer to saw apart into little pieces for inspection, you'd never know what layers, direction, type, etc, was used, and if they cheated anywhere along the way. . 2△

▽ • Reply • Share › takethattakethat > Ryan Z • 3 years ago

LOL give me a break these open mould companies are making the same bikes that are "painted" and re sold by brands, and this happens way more with wheels, where do you think boyd, reynolds, and countless other rims come from?

△ ▽ • Reply • Share › Jamminator > takethattakethat • 3 years ago • edited

No. I'm not sure what 'brands' you are talking about (maybe you can list some), but just about every big bike brand is made in Taiwan. Most of the open molds are from mainland China. The only ones I can really think of are the PlanetX brands, and a couple other mail order companies'. Even predominantly mail order brands like Canyon, Focus, and Cube are made in Taiwan. In regards to rims, like I alluded to in my post, the issue is quality control. A brand like Reynolds has product manager(s) who live overseas and are responsible for assuring standards day in and day out. Anybody in the industry will tell you it's not the capability, it's the consistency of quality. 1△

▽ 1 • Reply • Share › takethattakethat > Jamminator • 3 years ago

Bikes are assembled in Taiwan but almost all carbon is moulded in China. This is a fact.

△ ▽ • Reply • Share › takethattakethat > Jamminator • 3 years ago

LOL Reynolds and these other companies are just rinsing you dry, sending one guy over once a year to check the production live does not count as product manager, none of these companies have the resources to do and R&D, design and moulding. They are simply buying off the factory.

△ ▽ 1 • Reply • Share › Jamminator > takethattakethat • 3 years ago

You've yet to say one thing remotely correct, and rather than using https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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specific examples as I asked, you pile on more wrong information. 2△

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AshOfIce > Jamminator • 3 years ago • edited

Pretty much all Taiwanese factories have subsidiaries and/or subcontractors in China. Giant(Giant, Scott, Colnago) has a Chinese factory, Topkey(Cannondale, Specialized, Cervelo) has a Chinese subcontractor named Keentech, Carbotec(Pinarello) has a factory in China, APro has factory in China as well. G&M Carbon (BMC) established a Chinese factory in 2004 as well. This is just the information you can find on the internet. In reality it's more likely a web of Chinese subcontractors producing all but the very top models of the big brands 1△

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Ragtag • 3 years ago

I really like the lugged look of the C60. Not sure technically how it fares with the other bikes. Maybe Matt, Wade or someone else can answer that? I have read your review but it’s now a few years old. But it’s a thing of beauty and damn too expensive. :( its a classic look and never goes out of style. 2△

▽ 1 • Reply • Share › John Seymour > Ragtag • 3 years ago

Agree about the appealing aesthetics of the Colnago lugged C60, but that particular model does bear a weight penalty from the choice of structure. Another older model that has similar appeal to my eyes and was a lighter build (but likely less rear end stiffness as a consequence) was the Time VXR/S models from the mid-2000's than Tom Boonen rode to victory in the Worlds 1△

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Its a 900gm frame and 350gms fork. So it will be 200-300gms heavier than the lightest frames. The question that needs to be answered - and i have not ridden it so cannot say - are the other C60 trademarks such as ride quality, handling, perhaps safety far outweighing (pun intended) the 300gm extra weight? The romantic in me thinks yes but without an opportunity to ride it..... well who knows.

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> Ragtag • 3 years ago

I think it's clear from many decades of frame building that its is possible to build a robust frame with pleasing qualities using a variety of materials and manufacturing strategies. It is also possible to screw up the frame to the point where it fails to perform adequately or even safely. With that said, some materials and processes are more demanding than others, but any manufacturer, big or small, is free to choose a combination that suits their strengths (and bottom line). https://cyclingtips.com/2018/01/how-carbon-fibre-bicycle-frames-are-made/

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I don't see that there is much point in assessing any frame on the basis of the choice of materials and construction strategy. Yes, JOIN US there are differences between them all, but there is no clear winner. They all have their own inherent strengths and weaknesses. From the range of bikes I've experienced, I see the best results coming from those manufacturers that are able to capitalise on the strengths of any given material and process. That ability is something that is typically hard-won on the basis of many years of experience (and experimentation). As for the C60, it's a fantastic bike that will please many riders... that extra ~300g compared to a lightweight chassis is not a penalty, just a difference, which may or may not be important to any given rider, depending on their needs and expectations. 3△

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Sean Devlin CC Doyle > Matt Wikstrom • 3 years ago

Weight these days is pretty much a pointless pursuit unless you are racing up big hills at a high level......or seeing who has the biggest (littlest?) appendage at the coffee shop. Plenty of the pros have won on bike that aren't the lightest ie. give away a kilogram to the weight limit. Buy the bike/frame on the ride you are after and the aesthetics you prefer. Just remember the lightest/stiffest frames are also the most fragile outside of the performance envelope they have been designed for. Buying an everyday training/riding bike then your uber light race machines aren't going to last long and beat you up in the process. 3△

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